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What Replaces Media?

 Dave Winer returns to this theme again, in a post looking at what the LA Times is doing. As usual, he makes some good points, and as usual, he is likely more right than wrong. And he is correct in looking at the current setup of the media and asking if it is worth saving. He says, maybe not. This is where we differ -- I hold a much more skeptical view of the potential of citizen journalism -- in theory it all seems so good,  but in reality, there remains a vast chasm of research, credibility and impact of citizen journalists. Yes, as Dave notes,

In any case, I've laid out the roadmap quite a few times. When we look back in a few years, I'm totally sure this will have turned out to be the way it went. In ten years news will be gathered by all of us. The editorial decisions will be made collectively, and there will be people whose taste we trust who we will turn to to tell us which stories to pay attention to. Instead of three of these, there will be thousands if not tens of thousands. One for every political persuasion, one for every mood, demographic, age range, maybe even by geography. The role of gatekeeper will be distributed, as will the role of reporter. Very few people, if any, will earn a living doing this, much as most of us don't earn a living by cooking dinner, but we do it anyway, cause you gotta eat.

Love the analogy there in bold. But as dave has noted previously in regard to open source software, there is no glory in improving the UI of an existing project, or creating help files, which is why these things tend to take a lot longer than things which are considered cool. So in this world of citizen journalists, who covers the city council meetings? Who applies the resources to uncover what is really happening in Iraq and how the US government is (or is not) doing the right things? Today, it's the New York Times and their ilk. Tomorrow, who will it be?

Published Saturday, October 14, 2006 5:33 AM by FrankShaw

Comments

 

Eric said:

Well, I agree that citizen journalists aren't always covering the town council meetings, and they can rarely afford a foreign desk (unless there are some interesting writers in-country).

But the NYT and Iraq may have been a singularly bad choice for illustrating the merits of big newspapers. While Judith Miller was regurgitating insider BS about nuclear weapons and whatnot, Riverbend was telling us about the earliest kidnappings and ransoms, and the breakdown of law and order in Baghdad. Whatever Riverbend's politics may be, she had a better angle on what the future would bring.

So at least in that case, I have to award the point to citizen journalism. In theory, the NYT may have lots of advantages, but in practice, they don't always use them.
October 14, 2006 10:09 AM
 

Raines said:

I already know several people, myself included, who enjoy going to public meetings and documenting and sharing.  I believe some new systems of incentives/rewards for doing this will emerge, with people collectively paying for reliability, accuracy, accountability, neutrality.
October 14, 2006 11:33 AM
 

steve garfield said:

Lisa Williams will cover the city council meetings...
October 14, 2006 1:47 PM
 

Lisa Williams said:

See <A href ="http://citmedia.org/blog/2006/10/05/announcing-placebloggercom-3/">Placeblogger.com</a>, a soon-to-be-launched directory of 600+ placeblogs written by individual bloggers across the US.  

There are many more placebloggers than most people realize, and fewer cities and towns that have a traditional news organization doing the kind of bread and butter coverage you're talking about.  
October 14, 2006 2:49 PM
 

FrankShaw said:

My biggest worry is that the people who would report out on things like city council meetings would be developers and those who benefit most by lack of scrutiny. The ideal *would* be true citizen coverage, but put me in the skeptic camp.

Eric, there is no doubt there have been massive failures on the part of the MSM -- NYT included. But at the same time, they are the ones who have devoted significant resources to things like covering rendition, wiretapping, etc. They are not perfect, for sure.
October 14, 2006 3:56 PM
 

Lisa Williams said:

Out of the 600 placeblogs I've found, only one is done by someone in real estate, and they're a real estate agent, not a developer.  

But I'm not sure that matters, because like most conversations that touch on citizen journalism, blogs and any actual facts about them are incidental.

Blogs are treated as a jumping off point to talk about the future of traditional media, which does indeed look bad.  But the future of traditional media or nothing to do with the success or failure of weblogs.  So the discussion is relatively fact-based when it's about traditional media, but the part of the discussion about blogs...well, it's not so much that it's right or wrong, but it's completely unrelated to, and often seems uninterested in, any actual data about blogs or blogging.



October 14, 2006 4:37 PM
 

scott said:

Most of the 600+ placebloggers could be ethical people without agendas even though I assume that Lisa is not vouching for each and every one of them. However, if this "movement" is successful I have no doubt that it will be infiltrated and corrupted by influence peddlers and dissolve into flame wars where ethics too easily gets put aside for the sake of the end game, whatever that might be. 99% of the audience will not have the time or the motivation to deal with the inevitable morass that follows.
October 14, 2006 5:55 PM
 

Lisa Williams said:



1. Posit nobody will do it.
2. When confronted with people doing it, posit that the people doing it must be of the wrong sort.
3. When that's debunked, one of two things will happen: some new assertion will be made that makes the new phenomenon impossible or undesirable, or...
4. ...that any evidence to the contrary is a special case.

I agree there's something horrible  and regrettable happening to both local and national/international news, but I think this sense of doom about one group -- traditional media -- is preventing anyone from taking in any new information about a new and largely unrelated group -- local newsblogs (placeblogs).  We just don't know enough about this second category yet to come to such sweeping conclusions.




October 14, 2006 9:09 PM
 

Scott Fletcher said:

Dave W. asks "Who will cover the city council meetings?"  We're covered here in Peoria, IL  http://peoriapundit.com/blogpeoria/
October 15, 2006 1:03 PM

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